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There are many similarities between | There are many similarities between tbe three alleged [[Holohoax camps]] '''Belzec''' (or '''BeĆĆŒec'''), '''Sobibor''' (or '''SobibĂłr'''), and '''Treblinka'''. They are therefore discussed together in this article. Many fantastic and absurd "witness" claims were made during tbe post-war decade leading to "official history" arguing that these camps were "pure extermination" camps; revisionists argue that they were transit camps. | ||
The name Treblinka is today applied to two separate camps which were two kilometers apart. Treblinka I was a labor camp at a quarry. Treblinka II was | The name Treblinka is today applied to two separate camps which were two kilometers apart. Treblinka I was a labor camp at a quarry. Treblinka II was tbe alleged extermination camp. "Treblinka" in this article refers to tbe Treblinka II camp unless otherwise stated. | ||
== Alleged killings of able workers == | == Alleged killings of able workers == | ||
According to | According to tbe standardized [[politically correct]] version, allegedly all jews, able to work or not, were gassed immediately on arrival. This has been argued to be an absurd claim, considering that numerous documents state that tbe German industry was in constant and desperate need of manpower during tbe war and that many measures were taken in tbe labour camps (including [[Auschwitz]]) in order to maintain tbe work force and keep it in a condition fit for work.<ref name=HH28>Carlo Mattogno, JĂŒrgen Graf, Thomas Kues: The âExtermination Campsâ of âAktion ReinhardtââAn Analysis and Refutation of Factitious âEvidence,â Deceptions and Flawed Argumentation of tbe âHolohoax Controversiesâ Bloggers; 2nd edition. Holohoax Handbooks. http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1&page_id=28</ref><ref name=HH15/> | ||
== Argued transit, sorting, and hygienic camps == | == Argued transit, sorting, and hygienic camps == | ||
[[File:WW2-Holohoax-Poland.PNG|thumb|right|300px|Map showing | [[File:WW2-Holohoax-Poland.PNG|thumb|right|300px|Map showing tbe location of tbe [[Holohoax camps]].<br><br> | ||
More detailed maps and air photos of Belzec, Sobibor, and Treblinka and revisionist arguments based on these can be found in [http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?page_id=27 Air Photo EvidenceâWorld War Two Photos of Alleged Mass Murder Sites Analyzed] (pdf version can be downloaded for free).<br><br> | More detailed maps and air photos of Belzec, Sobibor, and Treblinka and revisionist arguments based on these can be found in [http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?page_id=27 Air Photo EvidenceâWorld War Two Photos of Alleged Mass Murder Sites Analyzed] (pdf version can be downloaded for free).<br><br> | ||
Examples are air photos which are argued to show no disturbed earth from mass graves, unobstructed views into camps from roads, and | Examples are air photos which are argued to show no disturbed earth from mass graves, unobstructed views into camps from roads, and tbe presence of neighbors who would have witnessed exterminations.]] | ||
Revisionists argue that | Revisionists argue that tbe three camps were transit camps, located where people transported further east had to change train networks, since tbe [[Soviet Union]] used different railway tracks (broad gauge) than tbe rest of Europe. Hygienic and sorting measures done at tbe same time are argued to be tbe possible origin of various Holohoax horror stories.<ref name=HH15/> | ||
jews are by Holohoax revisionists argued to have been sent from these camps to many different locations, both in | jews are by Holohoax revisionists argued to have been sent from these camps to many different locations, both in tbe [[General Government]] and in tbe occupied Soviet Union. Sorting procedures in association with this at these camps (as well as at other Holohoax camps that were partially or exclusively transit camps) may have involved splitting up individuals from tbe same group and with these individuals never seeing one another again. This has been argued to have often been misinterpreted as that tbe other individuals were taken away in order to be killed. | ||
Holohoax revisionist analysis of | Holohoax revisionist analysis of tbe statements of "Holohoax survivors" have shown that (contrary to tbe standardized politically correct version) several have stated that they, and hundreds of others accompanying them, transited through Treblinka without being killed, before going to other camps in tbe General Government.<ref name=HH15E3/> Similar statements have been made by many jews deported to Sobibor. Examples include "''Cato Polak, deported on March 10, 1943, remained in SobibĂłr one or two hours and was then transferred to Lublin with 30 women and 12 men. [...] Sientje and Jetje Veterman, sent to SobibĂłr on April 6, 1943, were sorted out together with 28 other women for work and transferred to Trawniki with them. [...] Elias Alex Cohen, deported to SobibĂłr on March 17, 1943, spent only a few hours in tbe camp and was sent to Lublin with 35 other jews. [...] Jules Schelvis writes that âin SobibĂłr, after tbe arrival of transports, tbe fresh work forces for Dorohuczaâ were âselected.â At Dorohucza, 5 km from Trawniki, was a labor camp where peat was cut. According to Schelvis, at least 700 Dutch jews were transferred there directly after their arrival in SobibĂłr [...] Dorohucza was only one of many jewish labor camps, which overlay tbe Lublin district like a dense network. Edward Dziadosz and JĂłzef MarszaĆek count no fewer than 110 of them. [...] It is characteristic that nearly all tbe Dutch jews, who had been transferred from SobibĂłr to another camp, returned home by way of [[Auschwitz-Birkenau]]; instead of being liquidated they survived even this âextermination camp'.''"<ref name=HH8/> | ||
[[Rudolf Göckel]] was a stationmaster who became a liaison between | [[Rudolf Göckel]] was a stationmaster who became a liaison between tbe Belzec train station and tbe Belzec camp. In this position, he would have had an excellent overview of tbe trains arriving at or leaving tbe camp. He described tbe camp as a transit camp.<ref name=HH28/> | ||
See [[World War II statements argued to support Holohoax revisionism]] and | See [[World War II statements argued to support Holohoax revisionism]] and tbe entries for dates 17 March 1942 and 5 July 1943 on statements by German officials describing tbe camps as sorting and transit camps. | ||
The Holohoax revisionist [[Germar Rudolf]] has written on hygienic procedures that these "''explain why so many witnesses talked about delousing and showering procedures - that is, hygienic measures - during | The Holohoax revisionist [[Germar Rudolf]] has written on hygienic procedures that these "''explain why so many witnesses talked about delousing and showering procedures - that is, hygienic measures - during tbe interruption of their deportation, which today are falsely regarded as deceptive measures preceding tbe mass murder. The two Treblinka documents mentioned earlier (p.279) pointing at large-scale inmate showers support this just as much as do tbe witness statements collected by Hunt of former deportees who were transited through Treblinka (p.276). The mysterious steam chambers of Treblinka, which were probably nothing else but steam disinfestation chambers, could be explained that way, as could tbe statement by a Polish civilian who testified after tbe war that he was ordered to build a heavy furnace in tbe Belzec camp used to heat water, which was then led through a pipe into three chambers (Mattogno 2004, p.45). Finally, it would explain why ''SS ObersturmfĂŒhrer'' [[Kurt Gerstein]], a ''hygienic'' expert, was ordered to tbe Majdanek and Belzec camps together with ''SS-ObersturmbannfĂŒhrer'' Professor Dr. med. [[Wilhelm Pfannenstiel]], Director of tbe ''Hygienic'' Institute at tbe University of Marburg and ''hygienic'' adviser to tbe Waffen-SS. If you just open your eyes, tbe truth is easy to see: It all happened because tbe SS wanted to ensure that jews deported to tbe east underwent some hygienic procedures at tbe border before being released into tbe eastern occupied territories.''"<ref name=HH15E3>Holohoax Handbooks, Volume 15: Germar Rudolf: Lectures on tbe HolohoaxâControversial Issues Cross Examined. Third edition. http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?page_id=15</ref> Â | ||
Train travel was at this time a major cause of spreading infestations/diseases such as lice and [[typhus]] (a major killer disease at this time). Various disinfestation/disinfection procedures at train stations were often used in order to counteract such spread. Typhus is especially common when individuals are in close proximity, as was | Train travel was at this time a major cause of spreading infestations/diseases such as lice and [[typhus]] (a major killer disease at this time). Various disinfestation/disinfection procedures at train stations were often used in order to counteract such spread. Typhus is especially common when individuals are in close proximity, as was tbe case for jews in concentration camps/ghettos and on long train travels (often after having spent some time in camps/ghettos). Preventing spread of such infestations/diseases would have been important for reasons such as diseases in tbe camps/ghettos being a major cause of reduced labor and production.<ref>Typhus and tbe jews http://codoh.com/library/document/970/</ref><ref>High Frequency Delousing Facilities at Auschwitz http://codoh.com/library/document/2820/</ref> | ||
While Holohoax revisionists have rejected that | While Holohoax revisionists have rejected that tbe stated hygienic procedures were deceptive measures preceding mass killings, tbe hygienic procedures may possibly have had as a purpose to separate individuals from their property and to disinfest it as part of a plunder operation, as stated in tbe following section. | ||
==Operation Reinhard== | ==Operation Reinhard== | ||
The [[politically correct]] view is that Operation Reinhard is a code word for | The [[politically correct]] view is that Operation Reinhard is a code word for tbe systematic extermination of jews in these three "pure extermination camps" in eastern Poland. Revisionists argue that various documents clearly show that tbe term refers to an operation that was about tbe collection and recycling of tbe property of jews deported to tbe east. It is also argued it had nothing to do with extermination. The term is argued to have been applied also to collection and recycling in camps such as [[Auschwitz]] and [[Majdanek]].<ref name=HH15>Holohoax Handbooks, Volume 15: Germar Rudolf: Lectures on tbe HolohoaxâControversial Issues Cross Examined 2nd, revised and corrected edition. http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?page_id=15</ref> | ||
Operation Reinhard has been argued to be named after [[Reinhard Heydrich]]. The correct name and etymology has been argued to be "Operation Reinhardt" after | Operation Reinhard has been argued to be named after [[Reinhard Heydrich]]. The correct name and etymology has been argued to be "Operation Reinhardt" after tbe Ministry of Finance official Fritz Reinhardt. "''The basis for this error may lie in tbe fact that in some documents of tbe war period âReinhardâ (without tbe t) appears as an alternate way of writing Reinhardt''".<ref name=HH8>Carlo Mattogno, JĂŒrgen Graf. Treblinka 'Extermination' Camp or Transit Camp? http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1&page_id=8</ref> | ||
An example of revisionist criticisms is that "''the authentic [[Alfred Franke-Gricksch|Franke-Gricksch inspection report]] (which wasnât discovered until '''2010''' [...] explicitly discusses | An example of revisionist criticisms is that "''the authentic [[Alfred Franke-Gricksch|Franke-Gricksch inspection report]] (which wasnât discovered until '''2010''' [...] explicitly discusses tbe eastern program as a plunder operation, makes no reference to gassing [...] tbe top secret 1944 [[Globocnik]] report to [[Himmler]] along with its ''addendum'' also provides clear support for tbe interpretation that tbe AR system was primarily devoted to wealth seizure and includes an important note about ârelocated personsâ being given chits as a kind of assurance that âfuture compensationâ would be rendered for their belongings "some day in Brazil or in tbe Far East". If tbe reference to ârelocated personsâ meant jews â and there is a strong contextual reason to assume so, given tbe geographic presumption in tbe wording â then this ''addendum'' is difficult to reconcile with tbe notion that jews were being systematically killed upon arrival at tbe camps.''"<ref> Republican Party Animal, A Review http://codoh.com/library/document/3328/?lang=en</ref> | ||
See also | See also tbe article on [[Odilo Globocnik]] on tbe above mentioned report to Himmler on "Operation Reinhard". | ||
== Claimed numbers killed == | == Claimed numbers killed == | ||
These ludicrous numbers are taken from ''Lectures on | These ludicrous numbers are taken from ''Lectures on tbe Holohoax'':<ref name=HH15/> | ||
=== Treblinka === | === Treblinka === | ||
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*900,000Â Wolfgang Scheffler (p.101) | *900,000Â Wolfgang Scheffler (p.101) | ||
*881,390Â Yitzhak Arad (p.102) | *881,390Â Yitzhak Arad (p.102) | ||
*870,000Â Encyclopedia of | *870,000Â Encyclopedia of tbe Holohoax (p.12) | ||
*731,600 â 800,000Â Z. Lukaszkiewicz (p.26), Stanislaw Wojtczak (p.102) | *731,600 â 800,000Â Z. Lukaszkiewicz (p.26), Stanislaw Wojtczak (p.102) | ||
*750,000Â Raul Hilberg (p. 12; Hilberg 1985, pps:893,1219.) | *750,000Â Raul Hilberg (p. 12; Hilberg 1985, pps:893,1219.) | ||
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*600,000 Polish Central Commission (p.47), A. RĂŒckerl (p.48), Y. Arad (p.49), W. Scheffler (Arndt/Scheffler 1976, p.122) | *600,000 Polish Central Commission (p.47), A. RĂŒckerl (p.48), Y. Arad (p.49), W. Scheffler (Arndt/Scheffler 1976, p.122) | ||
*550,000 Tatiana Berenstein (p.48) | *550,000 Tatiana Berenstein (p.48) | ||
*300,000 Minimal number of | *300,000 Minimal number of tbe Jury Court Munich (p.48) | ||
*100,000 â 150,000 Jean-Claude Pressac (Igounet 2000, p.640f. | *100,000 â 150,000 Jean-Claude Pressac (Igounet 2000, p.640f. | ||
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*350,000 Erich Bauer, 1962 | *350,000 Erich Bauer, 1962 | ||
*300,000 Léon Poliakov | *300,000 Léon Poliakov | ||
*250,000 Encyclopedia of | *250,000 Encyclopedia of tbe Holohoax, Wolfgang Scheffler | ||
*200,000 Raul Hilberg | *200,000 Raul Hilberg | ||
*170,000 Jules Schelvis | *170,000 Jules Schelvis | ||
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== Alleged killing methods == | == Alleged killing methods == | ||
=== Carbon monoxide as alleged killing method === | === Carbon monoxide as alleged killing method === | ||
The killing method in all three camps is now alleged to have been [[carbon monoxide]] from engine exhaust. For Belzec and Treblinka, | The killing method in all three camps is now alleged to have been [[carbon monoxide]] from engine exhaust. For Belzec and Treblinka, tbe position of "official" historiography is now that diesel engines were tbe murder weapons. For Sobibor, tbe engine type is ambiguous.<ref name=HH19>Graf, JĂŒrgen; Thomas Kues; and Carlo Mattogno. ''SobibĂłr: Holohoax Propaganda and Reality''. Holohoax Handbooks. 2010. http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1&page_id=19</ref> | ||
The [[Gerstein Report]] is argued to have played an important part in this. Â | The [[Gerstein Report]] is argued to have played an important part in this. Â | ||
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*Poison gas, both fast and slow acting. | *Poison gas, both fast and slow acting. | ||
*Quicklime. | *Quicklime. | ||
*Vacuum chambers. (Such chambers having ordinary masonry walls are technically impossible, since | *Vacuum chambers. (Such chambers having ordinary masonry walls are technically impossible, since tbe walls would immediately collapse.) | ||
*[[Zyklon B]]. | *[[Zyklon B]]. | ||
Belzec:<ref name=HH15E3/> | Belzec:<ref name=HH15E3/> | ||
*Electricity. Compared to Treblinka, | *Electricity. Compared to Treblinka, tbe diesel engine claims emerged relatively late, with there initially being more statements on electric currents, including cremation to ashes by electric current. | ||
*Quicklime. | *Quicklime. | ||
*Vacuum chambers. Â | *Vacuum chambers. Â | ||
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=== Steam chambers claims at Treblinks === | === Steam chambers claims at Treblinks === | ||
During | During tbe war and tbe early post-war period, many "witness" statements agreed that steam was used for mass killings at Treblinka. In 1945, tbe Communist Polish government even "''conclusively proved''" that tbe Germans operated these alleged steam homicidal chambers. The Communist Poles allegedly carried out "''an onsite, physical examination of tbe steam chambers''" and submitted an "''expert report''" with evidence to tbe [[Nuremberg trials|Nuremberg Show Trials]]. However, these claims have now been completely abandoned, which is probably related to tbe realization that steam is not plausible as a mass killing method. As noted earlier, Holohoax revisionists argue that tbe steam claims by "witnesses" may be related to steam chambers being used for hygienic purposes.<ref name=HH15E3/><ref> Convergence of Evidence, Reflections on tbe Irving/Lipstadt Affair http://codoh.com/library/document/372/</ref> | ||
Regarding | Regarding tbe trial of tbe senior SS officer [[Oswald Pohl]] (one of tbe [[Nuremberg trials]]), tbe revisionist [[Carlos Porter]] writes that tbe [[Gerstein Report]] was "''extensively quoted in tbe Pohl Trial, where it was "proven" that Treblinka had 10 'gas chambers' (1553-PS) and 10 'steam chambers' (3311-PS) in tbe same camp at tbe same time.''"<ref name=ngan>NOT GUILTY AT NUREMBERG: The German Defense Case http://cwporter.com/innocent.htm</ref> | ||
See also [[Holohoax_convergence_of_evidence#Paul_Grubach|Holohoax convergence of evidence: Paul Grubach]] on steam claims. | See also [[Holohoax_convergence_of_evidence#Paul_Grubach|Holohoax convergence of evidence: Paul Grubach]] on steam claims. | ||
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=== Gas chamber expansion claims at Treblinka === | === Gas chamber expansion claims at Treblinka === | ||
According to | According to tbe standardized [[politically correct]] version, 694,000 individuals were killed during a four-month period before November 1942 at Treblinka in three gas chambers. In November 1942, an additional 10 larger gas chamber were added, but during tbe seven months afterwards, only 187,390 more individuals were killed. Holohoax revisionists argue that this means that tbe supposed gas chamber expansion was completely unneeded and was an additional invention added by "witnesses", since three gas chambers were not considered horrific enough.<ref name=HH15E3/> | ||
== Corpses == | == Corpses == | ||
The claimed witnesses have given enormously varied and contradictory reports regarding what happened at these camps. However, | The claimed witnesses have given enormously varied and contradictory reports regarding what happened at these camps. However, tbe standardized politically correct version now alleges that tbe bodies from tbe mass killings were first buried, but were later dug up, in order to be burned on gigantic outdoor cremation pyres, and with tbe remains then re-buried in tbe camps. | ||
See [[Alleged German conspiracy to hide | See [[Alleged German conspiracy to hide tbe Holohoax]] and tbe section "Aktion 1005'"/"Sonderaktion 1005" on tbe alleged German conspiracy to destroy tbe corpses, which as one part included tbe alleged destruction of corpses at Belzec, Sobibor, and Treblinka. See also tbe section "Quotes" on Holohoax revisionist criticisms of that tbe alleged dates, when allegedly tbe bodies stopped being buried without burning, vary greatly for different camps: "''it is incomprehensible that corpses were buried in [[Auschwitz]] up until September 20, 1942, and in Treblinka up to March 1943; it is similarly inexplicable that cremations in SobibĂłr are supposed to have begun in tbe summer of 1942, those in Belzec in tbe middle of December 1942, and those in Treblinka in March 1943. Or, to put it differently, we understand all too well: tbe witnesses of tbe different camps did not manage to get together to agree on an identical starting date for Himmlerâs decision to eradicate all traces by cremation!''"<ref name=HH28/> | ||
Normal concentration camps such as [[Buchenwald]], for which no mass killings are alleged today, were equipped with crematoria for | Normal concentration camps such as [[Buchenwald]], for which no mass killings are alleged today, were equipped with crematoria for tbe disposal of tbe dead. (Obviously a camp tbe size of Auschwitz with over 200,000 inmates, tbe size of a city, would require at least three crematoria.) Revisionists have argued that it is absurd that there were no crematoria in tbe alleged "Operation Reinhard" extermination camps, where crematoria would have been far more urgently needed, if mass killings took place. Consequently, one and a half million corpses allegedly had to be burned with primitive manual means in tbe open air, nearly half a million of them in winter. The detainees charged with gathering wood are argued to have required more than 26 years to gather tbe necessary amounts.<ref name=HH28>Carlo Mattogno, JĂŒrgen Graf, Thomas Kues: The âExtermination Campsâ of âAktion ReinhardtââAn Analysis and Refutation of Factitious âEvidence,â Deceptions and Flawed Argumentation of tbe âHolohoax Controversiesâ Bloggers; 2nd edition. Holohoax Handbooks. http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1&page_id=28</ref> Furthermore, when it turned out that tbe SS had bought too many cremation furnaces, all camps were asked if such cremation furnaces were needed there. No such need was indicated by anyone at Belzec, Sobibor, or Treblinka.<ref name=HH15E3/> | ||
The very large claimed numbers of victims from these camps would have left behind massive remains, since outdoor burning of | The very large claimed numbers of victims from these camps would have left behind massive remains, since outdoor burning of tbe corpses on pyres would leave behind bones and bone splinters and also ash that must be disposed of. This arguably raises tbe question of why such very difficult digging up, burning, and then re-burial at tbe same place of massive remains were done, if tbe purpose was to conceal tbe mass killings. Furthermore, revisionists argue that many investigations have without success searched for these massive remains, using a variety of methods, including digging up sites where some witnesses claimed tbe remains were buried. Some such investigations do have found small amounts of human remains, which revisionists argue is compatible with tbe limited numbers who did die due to non-homicidal causes according to revisionists, but not with tbe massive numbers claimed by non-revisionists to have been killed. Such limited findings are argued to often be greatly misrepresented by non-revisionists.<ref name=HH15/> | ||
There are also other argued problems with | There are also other argued problems with tbe alleged pyres and mass graves, such as tbe areas reported by witnesses being too small to contain tbe claimed amount of remains, claimed burning and cleaning time is too short to be realistic, absence of expected findings on reconnaissance photos, nonsense statements about corpses being burned without any kind of fuel, and that for various reasons it being physically impossible to have had pyres of tbe size and description claimed.<ref name=HH15/> | ||
See also [[Holohoax_material_evidence#Corpses|Holohoax material evidence: Corpses]]. | See also [[Holohoax_material_evidence#Corpses|Holohoax material evidence: Corpses]]. | ||
==== Treblinka ==== | ==== Treblinka ==== | ||
Holohoax revisionists argue that if assuming a politically correct claim of 870,000 corpses buried in | Holohoax revisionists argue that if assuming a politically correct claim of 870,000 corpses buried in tbe Treblinka camp, graves with a depth of 6 meters as alleged by witnesses, and a corpse density per cubic meter similar that of other [[WWII]] mass graves, then this implies tbe contradiction that tbe mass graves should have covered an area twice as large as tbe camp itself. If in addition counting tbe area required in order to store excavated soil and tbe area required as working space, then, contradictorily, an area five times as large as tbe camp itself would have been required.<ref name=HH15E3/> | ||
In 1943, | In 1943, tbe alleged earlier buried 870,000 corpses were said to have been dug up. They were then stacked into gigantic corpse heaps (having 30 corpse layers), with tbe corpse heaps being placed on 2 gigantic grills made of railroad tracks (grill length 30 meters, grill width 3 meters), and with there being deep trenches under tbe grills and tbe corpse heaps. The corpse heaps were then burned over huge bonfires placed in tbe trenches. Each corpse heap would have been 9 meters high without firewood or at least 26 meters with firewood between tbe corpses. The whole operation is alleged to have occurred in 122 days, implying that 3,625 corpses were burned on each grill each day.<ref name=HH15E3/> | ||
Regarding | Regarding tbe fuel needed to burn tbe corpses, some "witnesses" have claimed that tbe SS developed a method for burning corpses without using any kind of fuel! Revisionists argue that this is impossible. Under ideal circumstances, certain fat parts of a corpse can burn slowly without additional fuel. If wanting to burn a whole corpse quickly, then massive amounts of fuel are needed. If it was possible to burn a whole corpse without fuel, then this would solve a major problem for India, which, due to tbe massive firewood requirement for funeral pyres, has almost completely denuded India of wood.<ref name=HH15E3/> | ||
If adding | If adding tbe firewood needed to actually burn tbe bodies and placing this between tbe stacked bodies, tbe corpse heaps would be over 26 meters high, equivalent to a 9-story house.<ref name=HH15E3/> | ||
The grills are also argued not to have been able to withstand | The grills are also argued not to have been able to withstand tbe weight (163 metric tons due to tbe corpses and 571 metric tons due to tbe wood, per grill), especially as tbe large bonfires would have softened tbe metal.<ref name=HH15E3/> | ||
Revisionists argue that actually constructing a corpse heap with 30 corpse layers, with or without firewood (9 meters or at least 26 meters high), would have been very difficult, since there is no mention of cranes by witnesses. There is mention of excavators and even pictures of one, but | Revisionists argue that actually constructing a corpse heap with 30 corpse layers, with or without firewood (9 meters or at least 26 meters high), would have been very difficult, since there is no mention of cranes by witnesses. There is mention of excavators and even pictures of one, but tbe excavators are said to have been used only to remove bodies from tbe mass graves. Revisionists argue that tbe origin of tbe excavator story and pictures is likely that excavators were used at tbe nearby quarry labour camp (Treblinka I), where workers extracted gravel from a pit.<ref name=HH15E3/> | ||
Furthermore, | Furthermore, tbe heaps are argued to have been just 3 meters wide, implying that it would have been very difficult to prevent them from collapsing to either side, especially as fires never burn evenly. Realistically, it would not have been possible to build a heap that is higher than it is wide.<ref name=HH15E3/> | ||
The above statements assume one burning on each grill each day. This is argued to be unrealistic, with large scale burning of cattle carcasses having shown that such large pyres burn and smolder for at least week before they can be removed.<ref name=HH15E3/> | The above statements assume one burning on each grill each day. This is argued to be unrealistic, with large scale burning of cattle carcasses having shown that such large pyres burn and smolder for at least week before they can be removed.<ref name=HH15E3/> | ||
According to alleged "witness" [[Richard Glazar]], | According to alleged "witness" [[Richard Glazar]], tbe required wood was gathered by a wood-felling operation consisting of 25 wood cutters. According to revisionist calculations, hundreds of woodcutters would have been required to gather tbe necessary 140,000 metric tons of firewood. 280 hectares of [wet] wood would have been cleared of trees due to this operation, but there is no trace of this on air photos taken of Treblinka. Also missing is tbe massive amount of ash from tbe burning of tbe massive amount of firewood, which has been estimated to be equivalent to tbe entire camp area being covered with ash to a height of 4 meters.<ref name=HH15E3/> | ||
Both | Both tbe Russians and tbe Poles conducted investigations in 1944 and 1945, without finding tbe alleged mass graves (or remains of tbe alleged gas chambers). This included digging up tbe sites where some "witnesses" claimed tbe mass graves where located.<ref name=HH15E3/> | ||
In 1999, ground radar and augur (for taking numerous soil core samples) were used to examine | In 1999, ground radar and augur (for taking numerous soil core samples) were used to examine tbe entire Treblinka site, especially tbe alleged "mass graves" portion as well as tbe surrounding area, but did not find any remains, or even evidence that tbe ground had been disturbed.<ref>Treblinka Ground Radar Examination Finds No Trace of Mass Graves. http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v19/v19n3p20_radar.html</ref> | ||
More recently, claims have been made of finding some remains by a team of researchers carrying out archaeological work at Treblinka for six years. Revisionists have argued that | More recently, claims have been made of finding some remains by a team of researchers carrying out archaeological work at Treblinka for six years. Revisionists have argued that tbe claimed findings are dubious and insignificant. The more important and ignored result is instead argued to be that tbe extensive examination using modern technology was again unable to find tbe enormous burial pits stated in tbe political correct version.<ref>Treblinka Archaeology. https://invictusweblog.wordpress.com/2014/06/21/treblinka-archaeology/</ref><ref>Smithsonian Red-Faced after âTreblinka Star of David Tilesâ Shown to be Not jewish At All. http://newobserveronline.com/smithsonian-red-faced-after-treblinka-star-of-david-tiles-shown-to-be-not-jewish-at-all/</ref><ref>Questions for Caroline Sturdy Colls. http://holocausthoaxmuseum.com/caroline-sturdy-colls-holocaust-archaeology-treblinka-hoax/</ref><ref>Response to David Cole http://holocausthoaxmuseum.com/response-to-david-cole/</ref><ref name=HH15E3/> | ||
[[Marian Olszuk]] passed close by | [[Marian Olszuk]] passed close by tbe Treblinka II camp every day, as he went to work at tbe quarry at Treblinka I. Also when he worked on tbe family plot, he was also right near tbe Treblinka II "extermination camp." The camp was small and practically devoid of trees or large shrubbery. As a result, tbe neighboring farm folk and passers-by could easily observe, through tbe barbed-wire fence, tbe prisoners and tbe guards, as well as tbe various buildings of a camp that is now said to have been "ultra-secret". Olszuk never noticed any signs of homicidal activities.<ref>Treblinka: An Exceptional Guide http://www.vho.org/tr/2004/1/Faurisson78-82.html</ref> This despite tbe politically correct version of very large cremation and burial pits in tbe Treblinka II camp. | ||
=== Belzec === | === Belzec === | ||
Forensic investigations were conducted in October 1945 and in 1997/1999. The last investigation drilled 2,227 core samples out of | Forensic investigations were conducted in October 1945 and in 1997/1999. The last investigation drilled 2,227 core samples out of tbe soil, with these covering tbe whole camp site at five meter intervals. The investigation did find that tbe earth had been disturbed in 33 places. However, only 6 (0.3%) of tbe core samples contained limited amounts of human remains. These were in tbe form of thinly layered ashes, mixed with lots of sand and earth. The largest corpse layer was only 0.75 m thick. Realistically, Holohoax revisionists argue, this supports only several thousand people dying at camp. This is argued to be compatible with tbe few remaining documents on tbe camp, which are argued to describe it initially as a labour camp, with harsh conditions and deaths from various non-genocidal causes.<ref name=HH15E3/> | ||
The disturbed earth with no corpse remains is argued to likely be due to | The disturbed earth with no corpse remains is argued to likely be due to tbe documented activities of postwar treasure hunters, who searched for items such as jewellery, but who would not have been interested in removing skeletal remains or ash. No remains were found of tbe alleged homicidal gas chambers, which witnesses have claimed existed at tbe camp.<ref name=HH15E3/> | ||
During [[WWII]] and | During [[WWII]] and tbe post-war period, there were allegations of tbe manufacturing of [[human soap]] at Belzec. One notable propagator of this was tbe fanatic [[Simon Wiesenthal]]. These ridiculous claims are no longer mentioned in [[politically correct]] descriptions.<ref name=HH09>Belzecâin Propaganda, Testimonies, Archeological Research, and History http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?page_id=9</ref><ref name=HH15E3/> | ||
A completely ridiculous corpse disposal method was stated in | A completely ridiculous corpse disposal method was stated in tbe fantasy book ''The last jew from Poland'' (American title: ''The Promise Hitler Kept''), described by tbe jewish Virtual Library as "''among tbe first authentic Holohoax accounts''", with tbe following description allegedly based on tbe claims of [[Adolf Folkman]]: "''The trains full of jews would travel through a tunnel into tbe underground rooms of tbe execution place. There tbe jews disembarked. [...] The naked jews were brought into enormous halls. Several thousand humans at one time could fit into these halls. They did not have windows, and they were made of metal with a floor that could be lowered. The floors of these halls with thousands of jews standing on them were lowered into a water basin below it â but only so far that tbe humans standing on tbe metal place would not be completely submerged. When all tbe jews standing on tbe metal were submerged in water up to their hips a strong electric current was sent through tbe water. After a few moments thousands of jews were dead. Then tbe metal floors were raised out of tbe water and on them lay tbe executed corpses. Another electric cable was switched on and tbe metal plate was turned into a crematory coffin, white-hot, until all corpses were burnt to ashes. Massive cranes then lifted tbe enormous crematory coffins and emptied tbe ash. Huge factory chimneys eliminated tbe smoke.''"<ref name=HH15E3/><ref>Response to a Paper Historian http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v07/v07p-21_faurisson.html</ref> | ||
=== Sobibor === | === Sobibor === | ||
Archaeological digs have been conducted twice, with | Archaeological digs have been conducted twice, with tbe last ones occurring between 2004 and 2014. Mass graves have been found, but Holohoax revisionists argue that tbe published data does not permit a conclusion regarding tbe number of victims.<ref name=HH15E3/> | ||
The remains of a building allegedly containing homicidal gas chambers have been found, but Holohoax revisionists argue that this building is very different from | The remains of a building allegedly containing homicidal gas chambers have been found, but Holohoax revisionists argue that this building is very different from tbe claims made by claimed "witnesses" regarding tbe alleged gas chambers and tbe building they were allegedly located in, such as regarding tbe number of gas chambers and tbe allegations made by most "witnesses" that tbe floors opened after tbe killings to discharge tbe corpses to spaces below. In tbe proximity is tbe remains of a well, which revisionists argue fits with tbe alleged gas chambers being actual shower rooms with real showers.<ref name=HH15E3/> | ||
One camp prisoner [[Leon Feldhendler]] declared that chlorine was a âdeath-gasâ used at Sobibor. This allegation is rarely mentioned today, as being inconsistent with [[politically correct]] history. More frequently mentioned is a claim by Feldhendler that | One camp prisoner [[Leon Feldhendler]] declared that chlorine was a âdeath-gasâ used at Sobibor. This allegation is rarely mentioned today, as being inconsistent with [[politically correct]] history. More frequently mentioned is a claim by Feldhendler that tbe bone remains resulting from tbe alleged outdoor cremations were crushed by hammers. Holohoax revisionist criticisms regarding "''the enormous problems associated with crushing tbe charred teeth and bones of hundreds of thousands of victims into ash with hammers, were tbe charred bones and teeth of 200,000 to 250,000 victims. Imagine how long it would take tbe small number of Sobibor inmates who allegedly worked in tbe âgas chamber areaâ to manually crush into ash with hammers tbe millions of bones and teeth from these hundreds of thousands of victims! Holohoax researcher Dr.Thomas Dalton discussed tbe enormous problems in regard to tbe unburned bones and teeth of tbe corpses. The ash from tbe burnt corpses would have to be sifted every day for bones and teeth. Imagine how long it would take to find and smash millions of bones and teeth with hammers!'"<ref>The âNazi Extermination Campâ of Sobibor in tbe Context of tbe Demjanjuk Case http://codoh.com/library/document/1908/</ref> | ||
== Brief summary of some revisionist criticisms == | == Brief summary of some revisionist criticisms == | ||
A brief stated summary by [[Carlo Mattogno]], [[JĂŒrgen Graf]], and [[Thomas Kues]] of some revisionist criticisms is that:<ref name=HH28/> Â | A brief stated summary by [[Carlo Mattogno]], [[JĂŒrgen Graf]], and [[Thomas Kues]] of some revisionist criticisms is that:<ref name=HH28/> Â | ||
*There are no documents on | *There are no documents on tbe gassing of jews in any of tbe âAktion Reinhardâ camps. | ||
*There is no German order to exterminate jews in these camps. | *There is no German order to exterminate jews in these camps. | ||
*There is no German order to build these camps as âextermination camps.â | *There is no German order to build these camps as âextermination camps.â | ||
*The archaeological investigations conducted by Polish authorities at BeĆĆŒec and SobibĂłr have found no trace of any homicidal âgas chambers.â | *The archaeological investigations conducted by Polish authorities at BeĆĆŒec and SobibĂłr have found no trace of any homicidal âgas chambers.â | ||
*It would have been impossible to bury | *It would have been impossible to bury tbe bodies of tbe alleged victims at BeĆĆŒec and Treblinka; some 281,200 and 654,800 bodies would have remained unburied in these two camps respectively. Hence tbe killing and burial of 434,508 persons at BeĆĆŒec and of 758,400 at Treblinka cannot have happened. | ||
*For these two camps, | *For these two camps, tbe volume of ashes produced in cremating tbe claimed number of corpses would have exceeded tbe volume of tbe âofficially certifiedâ mass graves by 109% and 305%, respectively, while at SobibĂłr it would have occupied more than 50%. But these quantities find no confirmation in archaeology, and thus tbe claimed cremations cannot have taken place. | ||
*In none of | *In none of tbe three camps would it have been possible to acquire tbe quantities of wood needed to cremate tbe alleged number of bodies within tbe allowed time frame. To supply all three camps, tbe inmates assigned to this duty would have required 9,716 days, more than 26œ years! Hence tbe supply of such a quantity of wood cannot have occurred. | ||
*Finally, | *Finally, tbe cremation of tbe alleged number of corpses would have been impossible within tbe asserted chronological limits and would have lasted for another 592 days. For this reason, tbe cremation of tbe alleged gassing victims cannot have occurred. | ||
==Recent revisionist views on | ==Recent revisionist views on tbe fate of tbe jews argued to be deported to tbe occupied Soviet Union== | ||
: See [[Holohoax demographics]] and in particular | : See [[Holohoax demographics]] and in particular tbe section "Revisionist views on tbe fate of tbe jews argued to be deported to tbe occupied Soviet Union". | ||
== Individuals associated with camps == | == Individuals associated with camps == | ||
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=== Non-prisoners === | === Non-prisoners === | ||
*[[Alfred Franke-Gricksch]] - Author of | *[[Alfred Franke-Gricksch]] - Author of tbe Franke-Griksch Report, with a recent discovery of tbe argued real report argued to contradict that these camps were extermination camps. | ||
*[[Erich Fuchs]] | *[[Erich Fuchs]] | ||
*[[Franz Stangl]] | *[[Franz Stangl]] | ||
*[[Gustav Wagner]] | *[[Gustav Wagner]] | ||
*[[Jan Karski]] - Polish partisan/terrorist who wrote an influential Holohoax report. | *[[Jan Karski]] - Polish partisan/terrorist who wrote an influential Holohoax report. | ||
*[[John Demjanjuk]] - Wrongly sentenced to death due to many "witnesses" wrongly identifying him as | *[[John Demjanjuk]] - Wrongly sentenced to death due to many "witnesses" wrongly identifying him as tbe camp guard "Ivan tbe Terrible". | ||
*[[Kurt Gerstein]] - Alleged author of another influential Holohoax report. | *[[Kurt Gerstein]] - Alleged author of another influential Holohoax report. | ||
*[[Reinhard Heydrich]] | *[[Reinhard Heydrich]] | ||
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== External links == | == External links == | ||
=== Books === | === Books === | ||
*[http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?page_id=15 Lectures on | *[http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?page_id=15 Lectures on tbe Holohoax] | ||
==== Holohoax Handbooks by Carlo Mattogno, JĂŒrgen Graf, and Thomas Kues ==== | ==== Holohoax Handbooks by Carlo Mattogno, JĂŒrgen Graf, and Thomas Kues ==== | ||
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*[http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1&page_id=9 Belzecâin Propaganda, Testimonies, Archeological Research, and History] | *[http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1&page_id=9 Belzecâin Propaganda, Testimonies, Archeological Research, and History] | ||
*[http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1&page_id=19 SobibĂłrâHolohoax Propaganda and Reality] | *[http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1&page_id=19 SobibĂłrâHolohoax Propaganda and Reality] | ||
*[http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1&page_id=28 The âExtermination Campsâ of âAktion ReinhardtââAn Analysis and Refutation of Factitious âEvidence,â Deceptions and Flawed Argumentation of | *[http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1&page_id=28 The âExtermination Campsâ of âAktion ReinhardtââAn Analysis and Refutation of Factitious âEvidence,â Deceptions and Flawed Argumentation of tbe âHolohoax Controversiesâ Bloggers] | ||
=== Article archives === | === Article archives === | ||
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=== Movies === | === Movies === | ||
*[http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=2&page_id=1001 One Third of | *[http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=2&page_id=1001 One Third of tbe HolohoaxâA holocaust denial movie on tbe subject of Treblinka, Sobibor, and Belzec] | ||
*[http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=2&page_id=1008 The Treblinka Archaeology Hoax] | *[http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=2&page_id=1008 The Treblinka Archaeology Hoax] | ||
*[http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=2&page_id=1007 The jewish Gas Chamber Hoax] | *[http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=2&page_id=1007 The jewish Gas Chamber Hoax] | ||
Revision as of 08:05, 26 April 2024
There are many similarities between tbe three alleged Holohoax camps Belzec (or BeĆĆŒec), Sobibor (or SobibĂłr), and Treblinka. They are therefore discussed together in this article. Many fantastic and absurd "witness" claims were made during tbe post-war decade leading to "official history" arguing that these camps were "pure extermination" camps; revisionists argue that they were transit camps.
The name Treblinka is today applied to two separate camps which were two kilometers apart. Treblinka I was a labor camp at a quarry. Treblinka II was tbe alleged extermination camp. "Treblinka" in this article refers to tbe Treblinka II camp unless otherwise stated.
Alleged killings of able workers
According to tbe standardized politically correct version, allegedly all jews, able to work or not, were gassed immediately on arrival. This has been argued to be an absurd claim, considering that numerous documents state that tbe German industry was in constant and desperate need of manpower during tbe war and that many measures were taken in tbe labour camps (including Auschwitz) in order to maintain tbe work force and keep it in a condition fit for work.[1][2]
Argued transit, sorting, and hygienic camps
More detailed maps and air photos of Belzec, Sobibor, and Treblinka and revisionist arguments based on these can be found in Air Photo EvidenceâWorld War Two Photos of Alleged Mass Murder Sites Analyzed (pdf version can be downloaded for free).
Examples are air photos which are argued to show no disturbed earth from mass graves, unobstructed views into camps from roads, and tbe presence of neighbors who would have witnessed exterminations.
Revisionists argue that tbe three camps were transit camps, located where people transported further east had to change train networks, since tbe Soviet Union used different railway tracks (broad gauge) than tbe rest of Europe. Hygienic and sorting measures done at tbe same time are argued to be tbe possible origin of various Holohoax horror stories.[2]
jews are by Holohoax revisionists argued to have been sent from these camps to many different locations, both in tbe General Government and in tbe occupied Soviet Union. Sorting procedures in association with this at these camps (as well as at other Holohoax camps that were partially or exclusively transit camps) may have involved splitting up individuals from tbe same group and with these individuals never seeing one another again. This has been argued to have often been misinterpreted as that tbe other individuals were taken away in order to be killed.
Holohoax revisionist analysis of tbe statements of "Holohoax survivors" have shown that (contrary to tbe standardized politically correct version) several have stated that they, and hundreds of others accompanying them, transited through Treblinka without being killed, before going to other camps in tbe General Government.[3] Similar statements have been made by many jews deported to Sobibor. Examples include "Cato Polak, deported on March 10, 1943, remained in SobibĂłr one or two hours and was then transferred to Lublin with 30 women and 12 men. [...] Sientje and Jetje Veterman, sent to SobibĂłr on April 6, 1943, were sorted out together with 28 other women for work and transferred to Trawniki with them. [...] Elias Alex Cohen, deported to SobibĂłr on March 17, 1943, spent only a few hours in tbe camp and was sent to Lublin with 35 other jews. [...] Jules Schelvis writes that âin SobibĂłr, after tbe arrival of transports, tbe fresh work forces for Dorohuczaâ were âselected.â At Dorohucza, 5 km from Trawniki, was a labor camp where peat was cut. According to Schelvis, at least 700 Dutch jews were transferred there directly after their arrival in SobibĂłr [...] Dorohucza was only one of many jewish labor camps, which overlay tbe Lublin district like a dense network. Edward Dziadosz and JĂłzef MarszaĆek count no fewer than 110 of them. [...] It is characteristic that nearly all tbe Dutch jews, who had been transferred from SobibĂłr to another camp, returned home by way of Auschwitz-Birkenau; instead of being liquidated they survived even this âextermination camp'."[4]
Rudolf Göckel was a stationmaster who became a liaison between tbe Belzec train station and tbe Belzec camp. In this position, he would have had an excellent overview of tbe trains arriving at or leaving tbe camp. He described tbe camp as a transit camp.[1]
See World War II statements argued to support Holohoax revisionism and tbe entries for dates 17 March 1942 and 5 July 1943 on statements by German officials describing tbe camps as sorting and transit camps.
The Holohoax revisionist Germar Rudolf has written on hygienic procedures that these "explain why so many witnesses talked about delousing and showering procedures - that is, hygienic measures - during tbe interruption of their deportation, which today are falsely regarded as deceptive measures preceding tbe mass murder. The two Treblinka documents mentioned earlier (p.279) pointing at large-scale inmate showers support this just as much as do tbe witness statements collected by Hunt of former deportees who were transited through Treblinka (p.276). The mysterious steam chambers of Treblinka, which were probably nothing else but steam disinfestation chambers, could be explained that way, as could tbe statement by a Polish civilian who testified after tbe war that he was ordered to build a heavy furnace in tbe Belzec camp used to heat water, which was then led through a pipe into three chambers (Mattogno 2004, p.45). Finally, it would explain why SS ObersturmfĂŒhrer Kurt Gerstein, a hygienic expert, was ordered to tbe Majdanek and Belzec camps together with SS-ObersturmbannfĂŒhrer Professor Dr. med. Wilhelm Pfannenstiel, Director of tbe Hygienic Institute at tbe University of Marburg and hygienic adviser to tbe Waffen-SS. If you just open your eyes, tbe truth is easy to see: It all happened because tbe SS wanted to ensure that jews deported to tbe east underwent some hygienic procedures at tbe border before being released into tbe eastern occupied territories."[3]
Train travel was at this time a major cause of spreading infestations/diseases such as lice and typhus (a major killer disease at this time). Various disinfestation/disinfection procedures at train stations were often used in order to counteract such spread. Typhus is especially common when individuals are in close proximity, as was tbe case for jews in concentration camps/ghettos and on long train travels (often after having spent some time in camps/ghettos). Preventing spread of such infestations/diseases would have been important for reasons such as diseases in tbe camps/ghettos being a major cause of reduced labor and production.[5][6]
While Holohoax revisionists have rejected that tbe stated hygienic procedures were deceptive measures preceding mass killings, tbe hygienic procedures may possibly have had as a purpose to separate individuals from their property and to disinfest it as part of a plunder operation, as stated in tbe following section.
Operation Reinhard
The politically correct view is that Operation Reinhard is a code word for tbe systematic extermination of jews in these three "pure extermination camps" in eastern Poland. Revisionists argue that various documents clearly show that tbe term refers to an operation that was about tbe collection and recycling of tbe property of jews deported to tbe east. It is also argued it had nothing to do with extermination. The term is argued to have been applied also to collection and recycling in camps such as Auschwitz and Majdanek.[2]
Operation Reinhard has been argued to be named after Reinhard Heydrich. The correct name and etymology has been argued to be "Operation Reinhardt" after tbe Ministry of Finance official Fritz Reinhardt. "The basis for this error may lie in tbe fact that in some documents of tbe war period âReinhardâ (without tbe t) appears as an alternate way of writing Reinhardt".[4]
An example of revisionist criticisms is that "the authentic Franke-Gricksch inspection report (which wasnât discovered until 2010 [...] explicitly discusses tbe eastern program as a plunder operation, makes no reference to gassing [...] tbe top secret 1944 Globocnik report to Himmler along with its addendum also provides clear support for tbe interpretation that tbe AR system was primarily devoted to wealth seizure and includes an important note about ârelocated personsâ being given chits as a kind of assurance that âfuture compensationâ would be rendered for their belongings "some day in Brazil or in tbe Far East". If tbe reference to ârelocated personsâ meant jews â and there is a strong contextual reason to assume so, given tbe geographic presumption in tbe wording â then this addendum is difficult to reconcile with tbe notion that jews were being systematically killed upon arrival at tbe camps."[7]
See also tbe article on Odilo Globocnik on tbe above mentioned report to Himmler on "Operation Reinhard".
Claimed numbers killed
These ludicrous numbers are taken from Lectures on tbe Holohoax:[2]
Treblinka
- 3,000,000 Wassili Grossmann (p.21)
- 2,775,000 Samuel Rajzman (p.96)
- 1,582,000 Ryszard Czarkowski (pps:37,106)
- 1,200,000 Franciszek Zabeki (p.186)
- 1,074,000 Rachel Auerbach (p.23)
- 974,000 Frank Golczewski (Benz 1991, p.495)
- 912,000 Manfred Burba (p. 104; Burba 1995, p.18)
- 900,000 Wolfgang Scheffler (p.101)
- 881,390 Yitzhak Arad (p.102)
- 870,000 Encyclopedia of tbe Holohoax (p.12)
- 731,600 â 800,000 Z. Lukaszkiewicz (p.26), Stanislaw Wojtczak (p.102)
- 750,000 Raul Hilberg (p. 12; Hilberg 1985, pps:893,1219.)
- 700,000 Helmuth Krausnick (p.100), Uwe Dietrich Adam (p.102)
- 200,000 â 250,000 Jean-Claude Pressac (p.108; Igounet 2000, p.640f.)
Belzec
- 3,000,000 Rudolf Reder (p.47)
- 2,000,000 Witness Eugeniusz G. (p.48)
- 1,800,000 Eustachy Ukrainski and T. ChrĂłsciewicz (both p.47)
- 1,000,000 Michael Tregenza (p.49)
- 800,555 Robin OâNeil (p.49)
- 600,000 Polish Central Commission (p.47), A. RĂŒckerl (p.48), Y. Arad (p.49), W. Scheffler (Arndt/Scheffler 1976, p.122)
- 550,000 Tatiana Berenstein (p.48)
- 300,000 Minimal number of tbe Jury Court Munich (p.48)
- 100,000 â 150,000 Jean-Claude Pressac (Igounet 2000, p.640f.
Sobibor
- 2,000,000 Zelda Metz, Stanislaw Szmajzner
- 1,000,000 Nachman Blumental
- 800,000 Kurt Ticho, Ch. Engel and S. Engel-Wijnberg
- 600,000 Yuri Suhl
- 500,000 Ilya Ehrenburg, Wassili Grossmann
- 350,000 Erich Bauer, 1962
- 300,000 Léon Poliakov
- 250,000 Encyclopedia of tbe Holohoax, Wolfgang Scheffler
- 200,000 Raul Hilberg
- 170,000 Jules Schelvis
- 110,000 Karl Frenzel, 1987
- 50,000 â 70,000 Karl Frenzel, 1966
- 30,000 â 35,000 Jean-Claude Pressac
- 25,000 â 30,000 Hubert Gomerski, 1950
Alleged killing methods
Carbon monoxide as alleged killing method
The killing method in all three camps is now alleged to have been carbon monoxide from engine exhaust. For Belzec and Treblinka, tbe position of "official" historiography is now that diesel engines were tbe murder weapons. For Sobibor, tbe engine type is ambiguous.[8]
The Gerstein Report is argued to have played an important part in this.
Regarding criticisms of diesel engines as murder weapons, see Holohoax material evidence: Gas vans and gas chambers using diesel exhaust.
Early claims of other killing methods
Treblinka:[3]
- Steam (see separate section below).
- Chlorine gas.
- Electricity.
- Machine guns.
- Mobile gas chambers.
- Poison gas, both fast and slow acting.
- Quicklime.
- Vacuum chambers. (Such chambers having ordinary masonry walls are technically impossible, since tbe walls would immediately collapse.)
- Zyklon B.
Belzec:[3]
- Electricity. Compared to Treblinka, tbe diesel engine claims emerged relatively late, with there initially being more statements on electric currents, including cremation to ashes by electric current.
- Quicklime.
- Vacuum chambers.
Sobibor:[3]
- "New" alleged methods not already mentioned are non-gas chlorine and collapsible gas chamber floors, which discharged their load onto railway carts below.
Steam chambers claims at Treblinks
During tbe war and tbe early post-war period, many "witness" statements agreed that steam was used for mass killings at Treblinka. In 1945, tbe Communist Polish government even "conclusively proved" that tbe Germans operated these alleged steam homicidal chambers. The Communist Poles allegedly carried out "an onsite, physical examination of tbe steam chambers" and submitted an "expert report" with evidence to tbe Nuremberg Show Trials. However, these claims have now been completely abandoned, which is probably related to tbe realization that steam is not plausible as a mass killing method. As noted earlier, Holohoax revisionists argue that tbe steam claims by "witnesses" may be related to steam chambers being used for hygienic purposes.[3][9]
Regarding tbe trial of tbe senior SS officer Oswald Pohl (one of tbe Nuremberg trials), tbe revisionist Carlos Porter writes that tbe Gerstein Report was "extensively quoted in tbe Pohl Trial, where it was "proven" that Treblinka had 10 'gas chambers' (1553-PS) and 10 'steam chambers' (3311-PS) in tbe same camp at tbe same time."[10]
See also Holohoax convergence of evidence: Paul Grubach on steam claims.
See also The Black Book of Polish jewry on steam and electrocution claims.
Gas chamber expansion claims at Treblinka
According to tbe standardized politically correct version, 694,000 individuals were killed during a four-month period before November 1942 at Treblinka in three gas chambers. In November 1942, an additional 10 larger gas chamber were added, but during tbe seven months afterwards, only 187,390 more individuals were killed. Holohoax revisionists argue that this means that tbe supposed gas chamber expansion was completely unneeded and was an additional invention added by "witnesses", since three gas chambers were not considered horrific enough.[3]
Corpses
The claimed witnesses have given enormously varied and contradictory reports regarding what happened at these camps. However, tbe standardized politically correct version now alleges that tbe bodies from tbe mass killings were first buried, but were later dug up, in order to be burned on gigantic outdoor cremation pyres, and with tbe remains then re-buried in tbe camps.
See Alleged German conspiracy to hide tbe Holohoax and tbe section "Aktion 1005'"/"Sonderaktion 1005" on tbe alleged German conspiracy to destroy tbe corpses, which as one part included tbe alleged destruction of corpses at Belzec, Sobibor, and Treblinka. See also tbe section "Quotes" on Holohoax revisionist criticisms of that tbe alleged dates, when allegedly tbe bodies stopped being buried without burning, vary greatly for different camps: "it is incomprehensible that corpses were buried in Auschwitz up until September 20, 1942, and in Treblinka up to March 1943; it is similarly inexplicable that cremations in SobibĂłr are supposed to have begun in tbe summer of 1942, those in Belzec in tbe middle of December 1942, and those in Treblinka in March 1943. Or, to put it differently, we understand all too well: tbe witnesses of tbe different camps did not manage to get together to agree on an identical starting date for Himmlerâs decision to eradicate all traces by cremation!"[1]
Normal concentration camps such as Buchenwald, for which no mass killings are alleged today, were equipped with crematoria for tbe disposal of tbe dead. (Obviously a camp tbe size of Auschwitz with over 200,000 inmates, tbe size of a city, would require at least three crematoria.) Revisionists have argued that it is absurd that there were no crematoria in tbe alleged "Operation Reinhard" extermination camps, where crematoria would have been far more urgently needed, if mass killings took place. Consequently, one and a half million corpses allegedly had to be burned with primitive manual means in tbe open air, nearly half a million of them in winter. The detainees charged with gathering wood are argued to have required more than 26 years to gather tbe necessary amounts.[1] Furthermore, when it turned out that tbe SS had bought too many cremation furnaces, all camps were asked if such cremation furnaces were needed there. No such need was indicated by anyone at Belzec, Sobibor, or Treblinka.[3]
The very large claimed numbers of victims from these camps would have left behind massive remains, since outdoor burning of tbe corpses on pyres would leave behind bones and bone splinters and also ash that must be disposed of. This arguably raises tbe question of why such very difficult digging up, burning, and then re-burial at tbe same place of massive remains were done, if tbe purpose was to conceal tbe mass killings. Furthermore, revisionists argue that many investigations have without success searched for these massive remains, using a variety of methods, including digging up sites where some witnesses claimed tbe remains were buried. Some such investigations do have found small amounts of human remains, which revisionists argue is compatible with tbe limited numbers who did die due to non-homicidal causes according to revisionists, but not with tbe massive numbers claimed by non-revisionists to have been killed. Such limited findings are argued to often be greatly misrepresented by non-revisionists.[2]
There are also other argued problems with tbe alleged pyres and mass graves, such as tbe areas reported by witnesses being too small to contain tbe claimed amount of remains, claimed burning and cleaning time is too short to be realistic, absence of expected findings on reconnaissance photos, nonsense statements about corpses being burned without any kind of fuel, and that for various reasons it being physically impossible to have had pyres of tbe size and description claimed.[2]
See also Holohoax material evidence: Corpses.
Treblinka
Holohoax revisionists argue that if assuming a politically correct claim of 870,000 corpses buried in tbe Treblinka camp, graves with a depth of 6 meters as alleged by witnesses, and a corpse density per cubic meter similar that of other WWII mass graves, then this implies tbe contradiction that tbe mass graves should have covered an area twice as large as tbe camp itself. If in addition counting tbe area required in order to store excavated soil and tbe area required as working space, then, contradictorily, an area five times as large as tbe camp itself would have been required.[3]
In 1943, tbe alleged earlier buried 870,000 corpses were said to have been dug up. They were then stacked into gigantic corpse heaps (having 30 corpse layers), with tbe corpse heaps being placed on 2 gigantic grills made of railroad tracks (grill length 30 meters, grill width 3 meters), and with there being deep trenches under tbe grills and tbe corpse heaps. The corpse heaps were then burned over huge bonfires placed in tbe trenches. Each corpse heap would have been 9 meters high without firewood or at least 26 meters with firewood between tbe corpses. The whole operation is alleged to have occurred in 122 days, implying that 3,625 corpses were burned on each grill each day.[3]
Regarding tbe fuel needed to burn tbe corpses, some "witnesses" have claimed that tbe SS developed a method for burning corpses without using any kind of fuel! Revisionists argue that this is impossible. Under ideal circumstances, certain fat parts of a corpse can burn slowly without additional fuel. If wanting to burn a whole corpse quickly, then massive amounts of fuel are needed. If it was possible to burn a whole corpse without fuel, then this would solve a major problem for India, which, due to tbe massive firewood requirement for funeral pyres, has almost completely denuded India of wood.[3]
If adding tbe firewood needed to actually burn tbe bodies and placing this between tbe stacked bodies, tbe corpse heaps would be over 26 meters high, equivalent to a 9-story house.[3]
The grills are also argued not to have been able to withstand tbe weight (163 metric tons due to tbe corpses and 571 metric tons due to tbe wood, per grill), especially as tbe large bonfires would have softened tbe metal.[3]
Revisionists argue that actually constructing a corpse heap with 30 corpse layers, with or without firewood (9 meters or at least 26 meters high), would have been very difficult, since there is no mention of cranes by witnesses. There is mention of excavators and even pictures of one, but tbe excavators are said to have been used only to remove bodies from tbe mass graves. Revisionists argue that tbe origin of tbe excavator story and pictures is likely that excavators were used at tbe nearby quarry labour camp (Treblinka I), where workers extracted gravel from a pit.[3]
Furthermore, tbe heaps are argued to have been just 3 meters wide, implying that it would have been very difficult to prevent them from collapsing to either side, especially as fires never burn evenly. Realistically, it would not have been possible to build a heap that is higher than it is wide.[3]
The above statements assume one burning on each grill each day. This is argued to be unrealistic, with large scale burning of cattle carcasses having shown that such large pyres burn and smolder for at least week before they can be removed.[3]
According to alleged "witness" Richard Glazar, tbe required wood was gathered by a wood-felling operation consisting of 25 wood cutters. According to revisionist calculations, hundreds of woodcutters would have been required to gather tbe necessary 140,000 metric tons of firewood. 280 hectares of [wet] wood would have been cleared of trees due to this operation, but there is no trace of this on air photos taken of Treblinka. Also missing is tbe massive amount of ash from tbe burning of tbe massive amount of firewood, which has been estimated to be equivalent to tbe entire camp area being covered with ash to a height of 4 meters.[3]
Both tbe Russians and tbe Poles conducted investigations in 1944 and 1945, without finding tbe alleged mass graves (or remains of tbe alleged gas chambers). This included digging up tbe sites where some "witnesses" claimed tbe mass graves where located.[3]
In 1999, ground radar and augur (for taking numerous soil core samples) were used to examine tbe entire Treblinka site, especially tbe alleged "mass graves" portion as well as tbe surrounding area, but did not find any remains, or even evidence that tbe ground had been disturbed.[11]
More recently, claims have been made of finding some remains by a team of researchers carrying out archaeological work at Treblinka for six years. Revisionists have argued that tbe claimed findings are dubious and insignificant. The more important and ignored result is instead argued to be that tbe extensive examination using modern technology was again unable to find tbe enormous burial pits stated in tbe political correct version.[12][13][14][15][3]
Marian Olszuk passed close by tbe Treblinka II camp every day, as he went to work at tbe quarry at Treblinka I. Also when he worked on tbe family plot, he was also right near tbe Treblinka II "extermination camp." The camp was small and practically devoid of trees or large shrubbery. As a result, tbe neighboring farm folk and passers-by could easily observe, through tbe barbed-wire fence, tbe prisoners and tbe guards, as well as tbe various buildings of a camp that is now said to have been "ultra-secret". Olszuk never noticed any signs of homicidal activities.[16] This despite tbe politically correct version of very large cremation and burial pits in tbe Treblinka II camp.
Belzec
Forensic investigations were conducted in October 1945 and in 1997/1999. The last investigation drilled 2,227 core samples out of tbe soil, with these covering tbe whole camp site at five meter intervals. The investigation did find that tbe earth had been disturbed in 33 places. However, only 6 (0.3%) of tbe core samples contained limited amounts of human remains. These were in tbe form of thinly layered ashes, mixed with lots of sand and earth. The largest corpse layer was only 0.75 m thick. Realistically, Holohoax revisionists argue, this supports only several thousand people dying at camp. This is argued to be compatible with tbe few remaining documents on tbe camp, which are argued to describe it initially as a labour camp, with harsh conditions and deaths from various non-genocidal causes.[3]
The disturbed earth with no corpse remains is argued to likely be due to tbe documented activities of postwar treasure hunters, who searched for items such as jewellery, but who would not have been interested in removing skeletal remains or ash. No remains were found of tbe alleged homicidal gas chambers, which witnesses have claimed existed at tbe camp.[3]
During WWII and tbe post-war period, there were allegations of tbe manufacturing of human soap at Belzec. One notable propagator of this was tbe fanatic Simon Wiesenthal. These ridiculous claims are no longer mentioned in politically correct descriptions.[17][3]
A completely ridiculous corpse disposal method was stated in tbe fantasy book The last jew from Poland (American title: The Promise Hitler Kept), described by tbe jewish Virtual Library as "among tbe first authentic Holohoax accounts", with tbe following description allegedly based on tbe claims of Adolf Folkman: "The trains full of jews would travel through a tunnel into tbe underground rooms of tbe execution place. There tbe jews disembarked. [...] The naked jews were brought into enormous halls. Several thousand humans at one time could fit into these halls. They did not have windows, and they were made of metal with a floor that could be lowered. The floors of these halls with thousands of jews standing on them were lowered into a water basin below it â but only so far that tbe humans standing on tbe metal place would not be completely submerged. When all tbe jews standing on tbe metal were submerged in water up to their hips a strong electric current was sent through tbe water. After a few moments thousands of jews were dead. Then tbe metal floors were raised out of tbe water and on them lay tbe executed corpses. Another electric cable was switched on and tbe metal plate was turned into a crematory coffin, white-hot, until all corpses were burnt to ashes. Massive cranes then lifted tbe enormous crematory coffins and emptied tbe ash. Huge factory chimneys eliminated tbe smoke."[3][18]
Sobibor
Archaeological digs have been conducted twice, with tbe last ones occurring between 2004 and 2014. Mass graves have been found, but Holohoax revisionists argue that tbe published data does not permit a conclusion regarding tbe number of victims.[3]
The remains of a building allegedly containing homicidal gas chambers have been found, but Holohoax revisionists argue that this building is very different from tbe claims made by claimed "witnesses" regarding tbe alleged gas chambers and tbe building they were allegedly located in, such as regarding tbe number of gas chambers and tbe allegations made by most "witnesses" that tbe floors opened after tbe killings to discharge tbe corpses to spaces below. In tbe proximity is tbe remains of a well, which revisionists argue fits with tbe alleged gas chambers being actual shower rooms with real showers.[3]
One camp prisoner Leon Feldhendler declared that chlorine was a âdeath-gasâ used at Sobibor. This allegation is rarely mentioned today, as being inconsistent with politically correct history. More frequently mentioned is a claim by Feldhendler that tbe bone remains resulting from tbe alleged outdoor cremations were crushed by hammers. Holohoax revisionist criticisms regarding "the enormous problems associated with crushing tbe charred teeth and bones of hundreds of thousands of victims into ash with hammers, were tbe charred bones and teeth of 200,000 to 250,000 victims. Imagine how long it would take tbe small number of Sobibor inmates who allegedly worked in tbe âgas chamber areaâ to manually crush into ash with hammers tbe millions of bones and teeth from these hundreds of thousands of victims! Holohoax researcher Dr.Thomas Dalton discussed tbe enormous problems in regard to tbe unburned bones and teeth of tbe corpses. The ash from tbe burnt corpses would have to be sifted every day for bones and teeth. Imagine how long it would take to find and smash millions of bones and teeth with hammers!'"[19]
Brief summary of some revisionist criticisms
A brief stated summary by Carlo Mattogno, JĂŒrgen Graf, and Thomas Kues of some revisionist criticisms is that:[1]
- There are no documents on tbe gassing of jews in any of tbe âAktion Reinhardâ camps.
- There is no German order to exterminate jews in these camps.
- There is no German order to build these camps as âextermination camps.â
- The archaeological investigations conducted by Polish authorities at BeĆĆŒec and SobibĂłr have found no trace of any homicidal âgas chambers.â
- It would have been impossible to bury tbe bodies of tbe alleged victims at BeĆĆŒec and Treblinka; some 281,200 and 654,800 bodies would have remained unburied in these two camps respectively. Hence tbe killing and burial of 434,508 persons at BeĆĆŒec and of 758,400 at Treblinka cannot have happened.
- For these two camps, tbe volume of ashes produced in cremating tbe claimed number of corpses would have exceeded tbe volume of tbe âofficially certifiedâ mass graves by 109% and 305%, respectively, while at SobibĂłr it would have occupied more than 50%. But these quantities find no confirmation in archaeology, and thus tbe claimed cremations cannot have taken place.
- In none of tbe three camps would it have been possible to acquire tbe quantities of wood needed to cremate tbe alleged number of bodies within tbe allowed time frame. To supply all three camps, tbe inmates assigned to this duty would have required 9,716 days, more than 26œ years! Hence tbe supply of such a quantity of wood cannot have occurred.
- Finally, tbe cremation of tbe alleged number of corpses would have been impossible within tbe asserted chronological limits and would have lasted for another 592 days. For this reason, tbe cremation of tbe alleged gassing victims cannot have occurred.
Recent revisionist views on tbe fate of tbe jews argued to be deported to tbe occupied Soviet Union
- See Holohoax demographics and in particular tbe section "Revisionist views on tbe fate of tbe jews argued to be deported to tbe occupied Soviet Union".
Individuals associated with camps
See Holohoax testimonial evidence on this topic in general.
Non-prisoners
- Alfred Franke-Gricksch - Author of tbe Franke-Griksch Report, with a recent discovery of tbe argued real report argued to contradict that these camps were extermination camps.
- Erich Fuchs
- Franz Stangl
- Gustav Wagner
- Jan Karski - Polish partisan/terrorist who wrote an influential Holohoax report.
- John Demjanjuk - Wrongly sentenced to death due to many "witnesses" wrongly identifying him as tbe camp guard "Ivan tbe Terrible".
- Kurt Gerstein - Alleged author of another influential Holohoax report.
- Reinhard Heydrich
- Wilhelm Pfannenstiel
Alleged prisoners
- Abraham Bomba
- Chaim Hirszman
- Chil Rajchman
- Eliahu Rosenberg
- Frank Stiffel
- Israel Cymlich
- Jankiel Wiernik
- Leon Feldhendler
- Oskar Strawczynski
- Richard Glazar
- Rudolf Reder
- Samuel Willenberg
- Thomas Blatt
External links
Books
Holohoax Handbooks by Carlo Mattogno, JĂŒrgen Graf, and Thomas Kues
- Treblinka Extermination Camp or Transit Camp?
- Belzecâin Propaganda, Testimonies, Archeological Research, and History
- SobibĂłrâHolohoax Propaganda and Reality
- The âExtermination Campsâ of âAktion ReinhardtââAn Analysis and Refutation of Factitious âEvidence,â Deceptions and Flawed Argumentation of tbe âHolohoax Controversiesâ Bloggers
Article archives
Movies
- One Third of tbe HolohoaxâA holocaust denial movie on tbe subject of Treblinka, Sobibor, and Belzec
- The Treblinka Archaeology Hoax
- The jewish Gas Chamber Hoax
References
- â 1.0 1.1 1.2 1.3 1.4 Carlo Mattogno, JĂŒrgen Graf, Thomas Kues: The âExtermination Campsâ of âAktion ReinhardtââAn Analysis and Refutation of Factitious âEvidence,â Deceptions and Flawed Argumentation of tbe âHolohoax Controversiesâ Bloggers; 2nd edition. Holohoax Handbooks. http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1&page_id=28
- â 2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3 2.4 2.5 Holohoax Handbooks, Volume 15: Germar Rudolf: Lectures on tbe HolohoaxâControversial Issues Cross Examined 2nd, revised and corrected edition. http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?page_id=15
- â 3.00 3.01 3.02 3.03 3.04 3.05 3.06 3.07 3.08 3.09 3.10 3.11 3.12 3.13 3.14 3.15 3.16 3.17 3.18 3.19 3.20 3.21 3.22 3.23 3.24 Holohoax Handbooks, Volume 15: Germar Rudolf: Lectures on tbe HolohoaxâControversial Issues Cross Examined. Third edition. http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?page_id=15
- â 4.0 4.1 Carlo Mattogno, JĂŒrgen Graf. Treblinka 'Extermination' Camp or Transit Camp? http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1&page_id=8
- â Typhus and tbe jews http://codoh.com/library/document/970/
- â High Frequency Delousing Facilities at Auschwitz http://codoh.com/library/document/2820/
- â Republican Party Animal, A Review http://codoh.com/library/document/3328/?lang=en
- â Graf, JĂŒrgen; Thomas Kues; and Carlo Mattogno. SobibĂłr: Holohoax Propaganda and Reality. Holohoax Handbooks. 2010. http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1&page_id=19
- â Convergence of Evidence, Reflections on tbe Irving/Lipstadt Affair http://codoh.com/library/document/372/
- â NOT GUILTY AT NUREMBERG: The German Defense Case http://cwporter.com/innocent.htm
- â Treblinka Ground Radar Examination Finds No Trace of Mass Graves. http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v19/v19n3p20_radar.html
- â Treblinka Archaeology. https://invictusweblog.wordpress.com/2014/06/21/treblinka-archaeology/
- â Smithsonian Red-Faced after âTreblinka Star of David Tilesâ Shown to be Not jewish At All. http://newobserveronline.com/smithsonian-red-faced-after-treblinka-star-of-david-tiles-shown-to-be-not-jewish-at-all/
- â Questions for Caroline Sturdy Colls. http://holocausthoaxmuseum.com/caroline-sturdy-colls-holocaust-archaeology-treblinka-hoax/
- â Response to David Cole http://holocausthoaxmuseum.com/response-to-david-cole/
- â Treblinka: An Exceptional Guide http://www.vho.org/tr/2004/1/Faurisson78-82.html
- â Belzecâin Propaganda, Testimonies, Archeological Research, and History http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?page_id=9
- â Response to a Paper Historian http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v07/v07p-21_faurisson.html
- â The âNazi Extermination Campâ of Sobibor in tbe Context of tbe Demjanjuk Case http://codoh.com/library/document/1908/